Marvel Champions Codex

RulingHall of Heroes (rules 1.0–1.4)

Wolverine: I’m confused regarding how the Goliath, Vision and Jubilee allies’ Lasting Effects work when they reenter…

⚠ This ruling is from an older rules version (Hall of Heroes (rules 1.0–1.4)) and might be outdated.

Question

I’m confused regarding how the Goliath, Vision and Jubilee allies’ Lasting Effects work when they reenter play. We have a ruling that, since Jubilee creates a Lasting Effect, if she was to enter play twice in one turn (with a card such as Rapid Response), her original Lasting Effect both remains and still affects her. But we have an old rulings from Caleb years ago, that the Vision and Goliath allies are not affected by their original Lasting Effect if they reenter play. As I understand it, the copies of an ally who reenter play are considered new instances of that copy, which is why the original lasting effects are not applied to them. Because they are new/different copies. This is at least our interpretation from Caleb’s old rulings. Is there a reason Jubilee is ruled differently to the others? Is it because she targets an enemy first, and the other two (Vision + Goliath) target themselves directly? Or is one ruling out-of-date/incorrect? Or something else? Any clarification on how each of these allies’ original Lasting Effects work on themselves when they reenter play would be greatly appreciated!

Answer

  • Our ruling on the Vision ally set a precedent that we would like to continue following. The Goliath, Vision, and Jubilee (Wolverine #3) allies have “self-referential” abilities, and these abilities only apply to that instance of the card, and not instances where the card re-enters play during the same phase (these instances can be thought of as “other copies of the card”). Goliath’s ability has a max once per phase anyhow, which applies to all copies/instances of his card.
  • Goliath’s ability has a max once per phase anyhow, which applies to all copies/instances of his card.
  • This means that our Jubilee ruling needs to be adjusted. If Jubilee re-enters play during a single phase, the +2 ATK from her first instance would not apply to her second instance. (However, her bonus could be applied multiple times to the Wolverine hero.)

-Alex